Great tip for a speedy boot drive!

[supernova777]

ok this works .. 120gb for 65$ wow cheap!!!
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=055640
and 10+ in stock at this store 5min from my house

this has to be the best performing drive for  the least amt of money
 i have found yet.. which sucks because i was excited about this msata + microSD options
but this value i cant ignore! (as long as these drives dont suck... that is, but 450mb/s write speed is pretty amazing)

if anyone wants one u can paypal me $$ and i can offer to buy one + ship to u:)
its probably only untill the end of the stock runs out (10 available)

or i challenge u to find a better performance/price then this!!!
this is luck..!

i hope this is not some type of 'typo' on the price !

[supernova777]

might not be as good of a deal if u add in cost of shipping across the world tho
its always best to find the best deal near where u live to save on ship


this can be used to use a laptop IDE ssd with a desktop
looks liek its designed for a pc tho, with floppy disk drive power connector?
i hope it would come with a 4pin molex adapter to change this power connection

[supernova777]

ok now i see why the intel is so cheap above

Sustained Sequential Read   Up to 200MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write   Up to 70MB/s

its very low speed performance compared to more modern drives
this is why its 80gb for only 30$


http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SINTECH-mSATA-SSD-to-44pin-IDE-adapter-as-1-8-toshiba-HDD-for-IBM-laptop-/320974079845


here is a 15.99$ adapter to laptop ide interface
the picture even shows a kingspec 8gb chip!!
this is probably wahts inside the plastic case for these ide kingspec drives!

here is the mother load of adapters!
http://www.pc-adapter.net/categories/0/0/14/1.html
holy shit they have scsi adapters too
http://www.eshop.sintech.cn/ <--- prices shown here

[supernova777]

wow check this out too guys


http://www.pc-adapter.net/products/199.html
use SDcard as ide drive!

this is insane because the price of these are very very low
probably because speed is lower but still:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/16GB-Micro-SD-Kingston-SDHC-MicroSD-TF-Class-10-16G-16-GB-Advanced-Memory-Card-/251584520000?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item3a939b1f40

12 dollars for 16gb sd card
lol.. a micro sd inside a sd adapter.. inside a ide adapter =
i wonder how much to order this adapter.. i bet its like 10$ or cheap if u order in bulk!
i may order a bunch and place ad to sell some of these on craigslist!

time to check speed spec on microsd's

wow they have a number of different format for these ide sd adapters
including this one that gives u a card slot via pci bracket so u can change the drive
instantly and easily! this is way coool!!!!!!!!!!!! 
http://www.pc-adapter.net/products/201.html

This adapter connects a SD or MMC memory card to a 40pin IDE host interface. Aiming at educational sectors, IT development, and the embedded technology enthusiast to enable the use of a SD or MMC card as an IDE hard drive.

    Compatible with all PC Card Services and Socket Automatic sensing of PC Card ATA or true IDE.
    Support PIO, Multi-DMA and Ultra DMA Host Data.
    Support 8-bit/16-bit data transfer on Host Data Bus.
    Integrated PC Card attribute memory of 256 Bytes.
    Automatic wake up from power-down on host reset.
    Microprocessor I/O transfer mode (High Flexibility) or automatic transfer mode (High Speed) support.
    Auto data CRC generation/check.
    Fully compatible with MMC system specification 2.0
    Fully compatible with SD system specification 1.0
    Standard MMC Mode Interface support.
    Support Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP Operating Systerm

heres a us seller+ this one has 4pin molex!! BOOOM BABY! here we go..

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IDE-to-SD-Secure-Digital-Flash-Memory-Adapter-US-SELLER-Converter-SDHC-MMC-/110297052220?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ae37743c

must find out how fast there sd cards access time.
http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk/press-room/press-releases/2014/sandisk-announces-world%E2%80%99s-fastest-sd-card/

The new SanDisk Extreme PRO SD UHS-II card offers up to 250MB/s1 write speeds for continuous burst mode shooting and transfer speeds of up to 280MB/s1 for maximum workflow efficiency.

i think there is a great deal of range of really slow sd + fast sd up to these specs above (as of february 2014)
but maybe they will keep making same format but with better specs as time goes on!

LOL http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SanDisk-64GB-SDXC-Extreme-Pro-280MB-s-UHS-II-64G-Class-3-U3-SD-Memory-Card-4K-/331202970715?pt=US_Memory_Card_Readers_USB_Host_Adapters&hash=item4d1d3c445b
this card is almost 300 $
this is specialty stuff for pro photographer i think
most cheap sd cards will be way slower

[supernova777]

bada bing bada boom!
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/32GB-64GB-Micro-SD-MicroSD-HC-Class4-10-TF-Flash-Memory-Cards-For-Phone-Camera-/191285390197?pt=US_Cellphone_Memory_Cards&var=&hash=item2c897f6b75

holy shit
32gb for 9$
64gb for 12$
this is insane  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they must be reallly slow access time
its the only rational explanation for price
but question is.. is it still faster then a IDE hard drive?
it is still 64gb + low power, no moving parts..
so it must be!

even if they are only as same speed as an ide drive
there seem to be a SHITLOAD of 32gb cheap cheap on ebay for pennies

these things might be really good for backup solution instead of burning dvds
rather then using them as boot drive - for the price this is cost effective..
imagine backing up all your apps on 1 micro sd 32gb
and another for all your projects .. simple. easy
and u can have multiple backups for safety

[supernova777]

http://eshop.sintech.cn/storage-adapter-pata-ide-18-25-35-c-130_17.html
i smell a bulk order 

http://eshop.sintech.cn/storage-adapter-sd-sdxc-microsd-c-130_16.html?page=2&sort=20a

its only 10.99-12.99 for these sd adapters


i think for best speed its better to go for msata
combining these adapters:
+
http://eshop.sintech.cn/44pin-25-ide-to-40pin-35-ide-adapter-with-led-p-168.html
or
+
http://eshop.sintech.cn/mini-pcie-msata-ssd-to-44pin-ide-adapter-as-25ide-hdd-p-626.html
http://eshop.sintech.cn/25-ide-to-35ide-adapterbig-board-p-177.html

im trying to find the straight msata to IDE 40 pin on their site but i cant find
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SINTECH-mSATA-SSD-to-40pin-IDE-adapter-with-bracket-as-3-5-IDE-HDD-AD263FB9-/221210553387
i guess its not cheaper then this price i was hoping for cheaper;)

[supernova777]

http://www.pc-adapter.net/products/544.html

back to original post by knez
heres 44pin ide to msata!
this would also work inside powerbook to use a "micro sata"

[MacTron]

Those adapters are what I've tested it in my FW SD card reader, and I also have tested it internally.

[supernova777]

mactron!
perhaps u can share speed experience with using SD..
both internal?
and firewire?

benchmarks? 
i dont expect it to be fast as modern ssd
but .. how does it compare to an ide 7200rpm

Those adapters are what I've tested it in my FW SD card reader, and I also have tested it internally. http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1168.msg4491#msg4491

found your post
heres the adapter mactron used:
http://www.hexin-technology.com/SD_to_3.5_inch_IDE_Adapter-Product-409.html

this one looks awesome
http://www.addonics.com/products/adidesd.php

[MacTron]

mactron!
perhaps u can share speed experience with using SD..
both internal?
and firewire?

benchmarks? 

It is really slow compared to my SSD Raid (190 MB/sec)

Read Speed: around 9 MB/sec.
Write Speed: around 2.5 MB/sec.

... but faster compared to the same card connected to a USB 1.1 adapter:

Read Speed: around 0.9 MB/sec.
Write Speed: around 0.7 MB/sec.

Those speeds are taken from the FW adapter. I'll test it internally when I have time to. I just remember that it was a little faster but it has to be formatted to HFS to avoid some weird problems...

(all speeds are measured in MegaBytes/second)

[supernova777]

ok but remember that different sd cards perform differently?
it could be a limited performance sd card?

whats the max speed of fw400 again?
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=893.0
FW400      50 MB/s

is that theoretical max or realworld max i wonder
this 9mb/s must be limitation of the specific SD quality?
it would be good to see between 25MB/s-50MB/s + over firewire with SD!!!

[MacTron]

ok but remember that different sd cards perform differently?

Of course. I've tested Class 4 and Class 10 without great speed difference.

it could be a limited performance sd card?

Of course. SD tecnologie is extremely slow especially on write speed, because any write operation implies a memory cells relocation. New SD technologies are arriving, but may be newer drivers needed too...

whats the max speed of fw400 again?
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=893.0
FW400      50 MB/s

is that theoretical max or realworld max i wonder
this 9mb/s must be limitation of the specific SD quality?
it would be good to see between 25MB/s-50MB/s + over firewire with SD!!!

Yes, it would be good. May be those "new SD technologies"...

A very good option may be this:



As CompactFlash are in fact PATA drivers. Just a very simple adaptor are needed.

[supernova777]

yes this compact flash idea is tried + proven already
but the only problem is
compactflash are not available as cheaply as msata or sd
check the price on ebay
maybe it has come down since the last time i checked

hmm last i checked 32gb compact flash was 50+$

this is 20$ so alot better
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/32GB-Compact-Flash-Compactflas-CF-Memory-Card-for-Cameras-Cellphones-/330927494443?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item4d0cd0d52b
old stock from 2003

[supernova777]

one more benefit that noone mentioned is the less need for cooling + reduction of heat for the overall system by replacing all moving part drives! way cool  pun intended

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-SD-SDHC-Secure-Digital-MMC-to-SATA-Converter-Adapter-Winodws-Mac-OS-Linux-/131305793565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e926f681d

i found this adapter.. SD card to Sata..
like i said before SD is the CHEAPEST storage u can buy big SD cards for cheeeeeeeaap
which would make this great for backup
not so great for speed/boot
but u never know!

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SD-Micro-sd-Memory-Card-to-2-5-44pin-IDE-Adapter-Reader-For-Laptop-/271561920789?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item3f3a5a1115

heres an SD CARD to IDE adapter for 7$ with free shipping!!!!!!!!
all of us should get one of these.. + 44pin to 40pin converter
need the converter that also has power connection connected tho because it needs power via 44pin connection i guess?

ok wait this is much better
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SD-To-3-5-40Pin-Male-IDE-Hard-Disk-Drive-Adapter-Card-3-5-IDE/281398077186?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26942%26meid%3Da89d9fb7a5394009b4a7c0f280e7d142%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D11184%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271561920789&rt=nc
only 8$!!!!!!!!!
this is the same as the addonics but without the front bezel i think

[supernova777]

Knez
did u ever try the Kingspec 16gb on the ATA100 and do the same benchmarks? (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1658.msg7436#msg7436)

[Knezzen]

Nope, I didn't. I'll do it the next time im in the studio. Probably tomorrow or tuesday

[supernova777]

im trying to find the fastest small ide drive i can ...
maybe even 2GB, 4GB, or 8GB sizes... rather then 16GB.

[Knezzen]

Didn't get the time to do the banchmarks on the studio MDD. It has been in use all week and I don't feel like disrupting my friend with tests I can run on a later date.

Further more, I bought one of the KingSpec 2.5" PATA SSD's I was talking about some time ago, and Im going to put it in the TiBook tonight.

Quickbench results from the original 60gb 4200rpm drive that was in the TiBook:

QuickBench™ 1.5 Test Results File
©2000 Intech Software Corp.
Test file created on söndag 12 april 2015 at 19.24.30
Test Volume name: PowerBook G4

Xfer Size     Sequential Read   Sequential Write    Random Read      Random Write

1 KByte       159.380 KB/sec      4.083 MB/sec     70.915 KB/sec      3.804 MB/sec
2 KBytes        9.051 MB/sec      8.906 MB/sec      8.747 MB/sec      7.936 MB/sec
4 KBytes       15.440 MB/sec     14.944 MB/sec      7.124 MB/sec     12.724 MB/sec
8 KBytes       24.293 MB/sec     24.809 MB/sec    722.198 KB/sec     21.945 MB/sec
16 KBytes       8.864 MB/sec     32.230 MB/sec     17.853 MB/sec     31.157 MB/sec
32 KBytes      16.304 MB/sec     44.270 MB/sec      2.438 MB/sec     43.223 MB/sec
64 KBytes      21.526 MB/sec     49.631 MB/sec      4.941 MB/sec     51.781 MB/sec
128 KBytes     16.207 MB/sec     52.605 MB/sec      7.980 MB/sec     52.064 MB/sec
256 KBytes     16.026 MB/sec     10.666 MB/sec      9.076 MB/sec     20.633 MB/sec
512 KBytes     15.742 MB/sec     18.357 MB/sec     12.177 MB/sec     11.653 MB/sec
1 MByte        16.050 MB/sec     16.498 MB/sec     14.389 MB/sec     12.243 MB/sec

Will run QuickBench again when the SSD has been fitted and everything has been reinstalled. In a couple of hours I guess.

To be continued!