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loading samples in AKAI s3000xl

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Irisman:

--- Quote from: chrisNova777 on July 21, 2014, 03:22:12 PM ---did u try ak.sys?
http://www.hollowsun.com/gagnon/download/aks_dload.html



--- Quote ---However, users of older Akai hardware might be disappointed to note that the facility to drag and drop S2000, S3000 and S3000XL files from the sampler and desktop drives (introduced in AKsys v1.5) has now been ditched due to problems with reimporting them. Instead you now have to load them into the S5000 or S6000's memory, where they are converted to S5/6000 format, and then move them to the computer desktop from there -- http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov01/articles/akaiaksys.asp
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Nope, didnīt try because SOS says:

Minimum Hardware Requirements    
• Akai S5000 or S6000 with v2.00 OS or better (v2.1 for AKsys v1.7).

supernova777:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/121748-akai-s3000-xl-help.html

check this thread


--- Quote ---Also, Recycle 1.7 could send samples and keygroups directly to the S3000XL, it was a nice companion to Peak for sample transmission.
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do u have a scsi cable and adapter scsi pci card?

lets look back at that article once more tho

--- Quote ---The development of AKsys has also seen improvements in other basic areas of file management. For example, originally the program had no facility to convert Mac AIFF files. Now you can simply drag such files directly from the Mac to the sampler. Another improvement is that you can choose to load an item with or without its dependents. That is, when you load a Multi, you now have the option of automatically loading the associated Programs and their samples along with it. Also worthy of a mention for anyone who has older files created with MESA (Akai's dedicated software editor for older machines — see SOS November '95) — is that these files can be simply dragged into AKsys. You can also nominate MESA as your preferred sample editor. However, users of older Akai hardware might be disappointed to note that the facility to drag and drop S2000, S3000 and S3000XL files from the sampler and desktop drives (introduced in AKsys v1.5) has now been ditched due to problems with reimporting them. Instead you now have to load them into the S5000 or S6000's memory, where they are converted to S5/6000 format, and then move them to the computer desktop from there.
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u may need to find v1.5 but that article directs you to check the previous one: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/nov95/akais2000.html

hardware samplers
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=378.msg735

Irisman:
ak.sys manual says: 

NOTE: Older Akai samplers such as the S1000 series, S2000 and S3000 series cannot be used with ak.Sys. However, it is possible to use the S5000 and/or S6000 with ak.Sys V2.00

So no luck for me with ak.sys program.
Actually investigating the existence of Chickensys Millennium.


http://www.chickensys.com/products/millennium/features.php?sw_name=Millennium

    Millennium can bind to a sample editor so that you can double-click on the samples inside your sampler and edit them with, say, sound-forge.
    Millennium can take a sample and chop it up, much like recycle, then send the result back to your sampler. Even with stereo samples!
    Millennium can automatically create drum-maps from a collection of stereo and mono samples.
    Millennium can read AKAI CD-ROMs from any CD-ROM drive (including IDE) and load their contents into your sampler, or export them onto hard disk, either file by file, volume by volume, or even whole CD's at a time. It can export both samples (.wav) and programs (.prg).
    Fast and reliable sample transfers.
    Intuitive, fast graphical interface.
    Full sample editor integration.
    Advanced editing features.

 8)

Irisman:

--- Quote from: chrisNova777 on July 22, 2014, 02:25:22 AM ---http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/121748-akai-s3000-xl-help.html

check this thread


--- Quote ---Also, Recycle 1.7 could send samples and keygroups directly to the S3000XL, it was a nice companion to Peak for sample transmission.
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do u have a scsi cable and adapter scsi pci card?

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I have the built in macintosh scsi DB25pins in the powerpc 7600, not an scsi card on it; SCSI cable is connected to the sampler, they communicate without problems.

What I try to do is to send "programs" to the akai, not only sample send. Sample send is a task that MESA software does here, but I want to load "programs" that are on the AKAI Cds, without purchasing a second hand SCSI cdrom unit.

supernova777:

--- Quote ---ANOTHER FINE MESA? -- http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/nov95/akais2000.html

Bundled with the S2000 and S3000 is a software package called MESA. Currently available for Mac only, MESA provides a more visual means of organising samples into keygroups and sorting out envelopes and filter settings, as well as zones, modulation, pan and so on. MESA also allows you to load AIFF or Sound Designer II files for use as samples, and a zoomable graphic waveform display helps you find the best sample loop points. Sadly, MESA doesn't let you do your crossfade looping on the computer, and you can't splice bits together from different samples or even remove a chunk from the middle of an existing sample.

Overall, MESA is probably far too powerful in areas you're never likely to need, and noticeably underpowered in the sample editing department, though its graphics are attractive and fairly clear. The operating system is more than a touch cryptic, and though the on-line help does a reasonable job of guiding you through it, my initial impression was that it made about as much sense as Morris dancing!

Initially, I expected to see a nice friendly box saying 'load sample from sampler', but no, that's too easy. Instead, you have to open something called the Toolbox, which shows you a postage stamp-sized picture of a computer and a sampler. You then have to interrogate the sampler to get a list of samples and programs up on the screen. Then (and this is the good bit) you have to open the sample edit window, go back to the sample list window, grab the sample you want to work on, drag it to a letter box icon on the sample edit page, and post it!

Once you've done this, the sample finally comes up in the computer window. It's rather like finding your way around one of those mindless adventure games where you come across a sheer brick wall, only to be told that you can't go any further because your troll isn't carrying the right type of fish to trade in for a magic anti-gravity belt! When you finally do sort out your loop points, you have to post the result back into the original sample list to send it back to the sampler before you can deal with any crossfading. What's more, I couldn't find any means of using my MIDI keyboard via the computer to check out the results of my editing. There is a floating window containing play and stop controls which lets you hear the sample at its original pitch, but you really need to know how things sound at different pitches, or when played as chords.

During my tour of MESA, I found countless references to something called 'scripting', and on trying to open some of the scripts provided, I was told that I needed AppleScript. At first, I wondered whether this might be some form of elven calligraphy performed on fruit that needs to be picked up earlier in the game! However, it turned out to be an extension (pre-installed on all System 7.5 Macs, but also available separately to Macs with earlier system versions) which allows you to automate tasks you perform regularly. However, I saw little point in being able to construct my own faders and buttons (which is part of what 'scripting' is all about) when what I really wanted was for the program to be a damn sight simpler and to help me sort out my crossfades. At this point, I sheathed my magic sword and headed for home.

If you have access to AIFF or SDII files, then MESA will be useful in transferring these to your sampler, and I'm sure the program creation features will be wonderful when you finally get used to them, but if you want to do serious sample editing, then you still need a dedicated program to do the job for you. In MESA's favour, because samples are transferred back and forth using SCSI rather than MIDI, the sound you're working on is still likely to be in fashion by the time you get it loaded. Transferring samples via MIDI is about as slow as trying to back up a digital recording by writing the 1s and 0s on a sheet of paper by hand!
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