How compatible is OS9 stuff with OS8.6?

[Syntho]

Someday as a fun project I want to get a Powermac 9600 refurbished and brought up to date as much as I can. Some of the gear I'm using had its drivers written for OS9 instead of OS8.6. Would the drivers written for OS9 run on 8.6? I don't think too much changed going from 8.6 to OS9.

[Syntho]

Anyone? I'd like to get a 9600 or Beige G3 setup going someday.

[IIO]

while it is possible to just "upgrade" stuff like carbon lib or networking extension, you will run into problems with all software which is (reasonless) forced to check for 9.0 or 9.2, or which needs something releated to GUI/window management ...

basically all major commercial programs and/or hardware drivers which came out after 1999 "require" OS9+. in addition, some will also require a G4.

[supernova777]

while it is possible to just "upgrade" stuff like carbon lib or networking extension, you will run into problems with all software which is (reasonless) forced to check for 9.0 or 9.2, or which needs something releated to GUI/window management ...

basically all major commercial programs and/or hardware drivers which came out after 1999 "require" OS9+. in addition, some will also require a G4.

but thats not to stop u from having a 9600 or biege g3 thats upgraded to a g4.. like i posted about a few weeks back i think u can upgrade these machines up to a 500mhz or even 1ghz g4.
the upgrade cards are often for sale alot more often then alot of the other parts we look for..

[Syntho]

I think I'm gonna go with a 9600 running 8.6 permanently. If an upgrade CPU will still run 8.6, I'm happy.

[Syntho]

There's apparently a 1GHZ Sonnet card that's compatible with the 9600. I can't find much info about it on the net.

[IIO]

i recently checked ebay and as it seems it is not so easy to find upgrade cards.

[supernova777]

There's apparently a 1GHZ Sonnet card that's compatible with the 9600. I can't find much info about it on the net.

800mhz
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/crescendo_g4_pci/crescendo_pci_g4_800.html

by compatible system
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_pci.html

[supernova777]

i recently checked ebay and as it seems it is not so easy to find upgrade cards.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=crescendo+%28mac%2C+apple%2C+g3%2C+g4%29&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcrescendo+%28powermac%2C+macintosh%2C+mac%2C+apple%2C+g3%2C+g4%29&_nkw=crescendo+%28powermac%2C+macintosh%2C+mac%2C+apple%2C+g3%2C+g4%29&_sacat=0

click this link above

[IIO]

would he ned a PCI solution for his 9600?

[supernova777]

would he ned a PCI solution for his 9600?

http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_pci.html
thats how "Everymac" has chosen to organize the data

The following upgrade cards are compatible with the Apple Power Macintosh 7300, 7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, and 9600 series

they arent pci addons
they are processor daughtercards
The card plugs into the daughtercard slot, replacing the original daughtercard.
the processor itself sits on this vertical card similar to a pc's slot-1 cpu card style
of the pentium 3
see pic
http://computers.popcorn.cx/apple/powermac/9600/pm9600-06.jpg

[Syntho]

I'm a little concerned about the PCI stuff for a 9600. I know this has been discussed but it's way over my head... I'm going to have all kinds of shit in that 9600.

USB/FireWire card - USB Hub for mouse/keyboard/dongle
MOTU 324 card - 4x ADAT Lightpipe
SATA card - SSD drive for OS 8.6 & software
IDE card - 1TB storage HD
Video card 1 - Monitor 1
Video card 2 - Monitor 2

That'll fill up all 6 slots, and it's just enough to do what I need. Maybe I'll need only 5 slots if I can connect two SATA drives to a single SATA card. I'm concerned that the PCI bus isn't fast enough for all of that. I guess I'll find out!

[supernova777]

I'm a little concerned about the PCI stuff for a 9600. I know this has been discussed but it's way over my head... I'm going to have all kinds of shit in that 9600.

USB/FireWire card - USB Hub for mouse/keyboard/dongle
MOTU 324 card - 4x ADAT Lightpipe
SATA card - SSD drive for OS 8.6 & software
IDE card - 1TB storage HD
Video card 1 - Monitor 1
Video card 2 - Monitor 2

That'll fill up all 6 slots, and it's just enough to do what I need. Maybe I'll need only 5 slots if I can connect two SATA drives to a single SATA card. I'm concerned that the PCI bus isn't fast enough for all of that. I guess I'll find out!

if i were u id stick with 1 card for Disk I/O? simpler?
ie: if u were to get a SSD that goes into an ide port u could get a 64 bit IDE controller card like the one i got acard-6885m.. that would free up a slot it takes up to 4 hard drives! and can do 2 seperate raid pairs..
regardless of the card being IDE vs SATA it would still be a 64bit card with the potential for faster thruput..


this card takes 4 drives with 4 ports
wait what am i thinking! this card cant be put into a 9600! it doesnt have 64bit slots
lol

 oops

but then in that case there is the Acard 6880m

this card takes 4 drives with 2 ports

[Syntho]

I think I need to do a bunch of searching tonight about maxing out a 9600. I think they've got some video cards with DVI outputs on them, but none that have 2x DVI outputs so I'll have to get two of them. We'll see how the project goes

[Protools5LEGuy]

Just use a old-school setup. Forgive the 2nd video card and the SATA card for to be sure not to stress the bus... and the power supply.
Or use a DVI+VGA card as the radeon 7000-9200 pci or a VGA-VGA as the Jeronimo or the MATROX-PROMAX DH on AGP machines...
Fewer components makes troubleshooting easier.

Do 9600 has SCSI? Is 9600 capable of Target Disk Mode SCSI? If you only need to take files(sessions) to the 9600 TargetDM SCSI'ing with a G4 with a SCSI card.

Had you OVERHAULED the PSU?

Please keep posting about that 9600 setup. Those pre-Jobs machines are legendary!

[Protools5LEGuy]

I think I need to do a bunch of searching tonight about maxing out a 9600.

Look on https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php
macrumors, http://www.ifixoldmacs.com/ and http://happymacs.wordpress.com/
Also everymac and lowendmac

[supernova777]

wouldnt it be the same as a b&w g3 for video.. radeon 7000 

[Syntho]

I remember having those resolution problems with an ATI card. I hope the same thing doesn't happen 

[supernova777]

re: the disk i/o the sata pci card would prob be alot faster then that ide 6880m..
i was just thinking u would probably want to get a seritek card that supports ESATA port multipliers
rather then have your disks tucked inside the ancient 9600 u could have them in an ESATA external hard drive case nice + neat + accessible + plugged in via an Esata cable
that would be the fastest + best solution going i think
i wouldnt want to be opening up the 9600 much other then to put pci cards in which is a breeze mounting drives inside a 9600 is not my idea of fun;)

http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1se2/
hmm it doesnt say anything about port mulitplier tho. damn

Note: SeriTek/5PM requires a SATA host controller that supports Port Multiplication, such as the SeriTek/2ME4-E and the SeriTek/2SE2-E (for systems with PCIe slots), SeriTek/2SE4 (for systems with PCI-X slots), or SeriTek/2SM2-E (for notebooks with ExpressCard/34 slots) -- http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-5pm/pr/launch/

http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-2se4/
this card supports port multiplier for sure but is it downward compatible with 32bit pci slot? probably
but im not sure - ok scratch this one it says: Operating Systems Supported   Mac OS X version 10.4.0 or later (works best with 10.4.6 or later)  its tiger + up only..
so no port multiplier for os 9.. bummer

[IIO]

...and there goes the benefit of having 6 PCI slots ... you need them to add all the upgrades you would have for free on a newer mac.