Getting File Transfer Errors When Using MacNFS to Connect w/ Mavericks Mac

[gocarlo]

Hi there.

I read this awesome little tutorial on Macintosh Garden that finally showed me how to get my G3 running 9.2.1 to network with my Mac mini running Mavericks!
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macnfs-30p3

Works flawlessly for most smaller files, but when I try to transfer Toast CD images (400-600MB), the transfer always craps out part way through, saying that there was a disk error.

Anyone else experience this? Is there something I miss configured? Is there some limitation to NFS I need to accomodate for?

Thanks!

[supernova777]

knez u really have to change that picture on macintosh garden.. it looks like a guy with a scrotum for a head???
kind of disturbing.. does this mean you are a dickhead?



i hope this is some strange european humor

[IIO]

if you are using a distributed file system you must eventually configure it to use TCP - because it might be set to an UDP mode by default.

i didnt know that NFS clients exists for classic and i have never used one, so i dont need to ask how yours is called.

however, NFS´ normal job is to open files, not copy, for copying/downlaoding there are better methods for sure. (though copying should work of course, looking forward for your solution).

[IIO]

oh, another thing. can it be that it loads files fully in RAM of the client before writing to disk?

[supernova777]

i would reccomend using AFP instead of NFS if possible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/11/apple-shifts-from-afp-file-sharing-to-smb2-in-os-x-109-mavericks

Sharing Files
When you connect from a Mac using OS X Mavericks to another computer using file sharing, your Mac automatically tries to use SMB to communicate. If SMB is not available, Mavericks tries to connect using Apple File Protocol (AFP).
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5884

select "Share files + folders via AFP" then, on your mac os 9 mac, under the apple menu, choose chooser
and then appleshare and then type in ip address of your mavericks machine

[supernova777]

ok i just tried to do this and it didnt work using snow leopard 10.6.8 so theres minimal chance it will work with mavericks

strange because my linux server is able to be a proper AFP host for mac os 9... but not X.. ?? there must be a way to make it work properly. like i said before AFP has shown the best experience ive ever seen networking with mac os 9, seemingly faster then FTP or any other protocol.

ok according to this page: https://discussions.apple.com/message/10960906
you can do it the other way around. having mac os 9 be the 'server' and do a 'connect to server' on the mac osx machine to connect to the os9 machine!

[supernova777]

Compatibility

AFP versions 3.0 and greater rely exclusively on TCP/IP (port 548 or 427) for establishing communication, supporting AppleTalk only as a service discovery protocol. The AFP 2.x family supports both TCP/IP (using Data Stream Interface) and AppleTalk for communication and service discovery. Many third-party AFP implementations use AFP 2.x, thereby supporting AppleTalk as a connection method. Still earlier versions rely exclusively on AppleTalk. For this reason, some older literature refers to AFP as "AppleTalk Filing Protocol". Other literature may refer to AFP as "AppleShare," the name of the Mac OS 9 (and earlier) AFP client.

mac os x 10.6+ use afp version 3.0 which, is only supported by mac os 10.3+ so it can talk to panther systems no problem but wont talk to mac os 9. as it says above many 3rd party afp implementations use 2.x afp which is what my file servr must be using because it works BEAUTY with my mac os 9 box..
so question is how to run AFP 2.x server or client on mavericks..

but WTF why would apple change the version of afp with each os? and not let u have control over which version to run to maintain compatibility between your computers?
reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol thers all these new versions of afp..whats the point of improving the spec of afp when it breaks compatibility?

[supernova777]

Mount AFP volumes from the terminal Network
Dec 02, '01 01:02:05AM • Contributed by: dreness
This one's really handy.

First make a directory in /Volumes for the volume you wish to mount, say idisk, for example. You could mount it anywhere, but /Volumes is the logical spot for it:

sudo mkdir /Volumes/idisk

then mount the volume...

sudo mount -t afp afp://user:[email protected]/user /Volumes/idisk

That's it! To unmount, use the umount command:

sudo umount /Volumes/idisk

[gocarlo]

None of these solutions work with Mavericks.

The best alternative I've heard of other than this NFS approach is discussed here:
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/14351-mac-os-107-lion-and-classic-macs/

[supernova777]

mavericks still supports afp
did u even turn on filesharing on your mac os 9 mac?
turn it on and wait for it to start up it takes awhile to start up
i just connected to mine from snow leopard and it works fine
dont even need to mount from terminal just CMD-K and type
afp://ipadress from the osx machine and it will connect to the mac os 9
machines filesharing

the other way around doesnt work

i honestly havent tried macnfs but afp works amazing 100% solid
i transfer toast images no problem and never a problem and always extremely fast

[Knezzen]

mavericks still supports afp
did u even turn on filesharing on your mac os 9 mac?
turn it on and wait for it to start up it takes awhile to start up
i just connected to mine from snow leopard and it works fine
dont even need to mount from terminal just CMD-K and type
afp://ipadress from the osx machine and it will connect to the mac os 9
machines filesharing

the other way around doesnt work

i honestly havent tried macnfs but afp works amazing 100% solid
i transfer toast images no problem and never a problem and always extremely fast

Mavericks still supports AFP, yes, but Apple have dropped support for the older protocol versions. You get "unrecognized protocol version" when you try to access Mavericks from OS9 and the same the other way around. Trust me, I have spent endless hours searching the net and configuring both the MDD and the two Mavericks machines we have.

That's why I did the NFS thing, and it works flawlessly in my studio.

I have to look up all the settings for NFS on the OSX machine, but there shouldn't be any big thing to fix the big file problem.

About my avatar, it's from a Swedish satirical comic strip about a DJ called "DJ Röv" (DJ Ass in english).
It's very funny and every joke has something to do with the DJ profession. Since Im a DJ amongst other things I find it really funny

[supernova777]

for the record ive never had a file transfer error using AFP fileserver + AFP
its been Amazing.. and i highly highly reccomend it its made going between my mac os 9 macs + windows machines + osx machines. literally a dream. so easy..
highyl reccomend it

[Knezzen]

for the record ive never had a file transfer error using AFP fileserver + AFP
its been Amazing.. and i highly highly reccomend it its made going between my mac os 9 macs + windows machines + osx machines. literally a dream. so easy..
highyl reccomend it

Yes, me too. But as I wrote in my previous post It does not work anymore in the newest OSX release (Mavericks).
Hence the NFS stuff. If you or anyone else figures out how to make Mavericks and Mac OS 9.2.2 talk AFP with each other I would be very happy!

[supernova777]

for the record ive never had a file transfer error using AFP fileserver + AFP
its been Amazing.. and i highly highly reccomend it its made going between my mac os 9 macs + windows machines + osx machines. literally a dream. so easy..
highyl reccomend it

Yes, me too. But as I wrote in my previous post It does not work anymore in the newest OSX release (Mavericks).
Hence the NFS stuff. If you or anyone else figures out how to make Mavericks and Mac OS 9.2.2 talk AFP with each other I would be very happy!

hi knez

as i wrote in my previous post: mavericks still supports afp
afp is still in mavericks it is only that they are trying to make people use smb2 now, which they have decided will be superior in the future, if smb2 or smb cifs capability isnt available on your network i have read that afp will still work.

be carefull what u read on the internet as many people can read somethijng and misijnterpret and spread misinformationa s a result. this is most common when dealing with current updates to mac os for example thers alot of people who dont take the time to properly read

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH13779

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT200160?viewlocale=en_US

very rarely do they take things out of mac os..
they just change the preferences + default setups in the hopes of pushing people towards alternatives non-agressively. leaving the option to change back buried but still there.

im quite sure thers a way to get afp configured to work even with mac os 9 properly given all of the properties in the preferences

according to : http://www.tips-and-tricks-in-mavericks.com/afp-still-exists-in-os-x-mavericks/
there is no settings required u simply prefix the ip with afp://192.168.x.x

[Knezzen]

Please Chris, stop stupefying me. Im not an idiot. I know that AFP still exists in Mavericks. To quote myself from 3 posts up:

Mavericks still supports AFP, yes, but Apple have dropped support for the older protocol versions. You get "unrecognized protocol version" when you try to access Mavericks from OS9 and the same the other way around. Trust me, I have spent endless hours searching the net and configuring both the MDD and the two Mavericks machines we have.

I thought it was clear that I wouldn't get "wrong protocol" error If would have used AFP on the OS9 machine to connect to a SMB share.
I would then have gotten "connection timed out" or whatever. So, yes, I enabled AFP on the Mavericks machines before I tired.

To show in picture what you get when you try to access an OS9 machine from a Mavericks machine, look at this:


So to clarify what I thought was absolutely clear from my side; AFP in Mavericks is not backward compatible. You CANNOT access an OS9 machine from Mavericks or a Mavericks machine from OS9. That's what I meant. Spent hour investigating. Once again, I'm not an idiot.

[supernova777]

we are not talking about the same thing. btw "stupefy" means something other then how u are using it here.
to be stupefyed is to be in a state of amazement.. not to make another look stupid.. which is ALSO *NOT* what im trying to do here.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stupefying

im trying to solve the problems to have a resource to figure out what can be done and how.
so please.. give me a break.. insinuating that my intention is to make u look stupid. that would be a cruel + stupid intention on my part
and quite simply im not capable of being that small minded, my goal is to benefit myself + aswell to benefit others.. 100% of the time.

to clarify, i was talking about using AFP to connect to another interim machine, to use as a go between, (which is how im using this currently, on both my windows, mac os x + mac os 9 machines i have my fileserver mounted and it works beautifully) which is why i mentioned to you WD my live book hard drive, or NAS4FREE operating system to run on a pc (you mentioned doing this with a dell + 2 SAS drive)
the issue of connecting to mac os 9 file sharing is NOT what im talking about, although it was mentioned yes.
this is a seperate AFP issue.. and i thought this would be clear to you even as i mentioned the 2ndary issue of mac os 9 file sharing
in my last "as an aside" comment

im quite sure thers a way to get afp configured to work even with mac os 9 properly given all of the properties in the preferences

but i realize english is not your first language.. so its cool, "bro"

so in summary
I WAS SUGGESTING YOU USE AFP (from mavericks) WITH A NAS FILESERVER/FILESHARE (to a fileserver pc or NAS hard drive connected to network)
not with mac os 9 filesharing.. this is another use of AFP yes of course but we ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS
i mentioned that i think it is possible to "get to the root of this problem" and make the mac os 9 file sharing connect work aswell.. but this was not my suggestion.  besides .. this way of connecting to mac os 9 file sharing is SERVER connecting to CLIENT .. we need the other way around..
client -> server

BUT IF YOU (OR ANYONE ELSE READING THIS THREAD) REALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK -> MAVERICKS CONNECTING TO MAC OS 9 FILE SHARING VIA AFP I SUGGEST INVESTIGATING THESE METHODS IN THIS ARTICLE:
Connecting to legacy AFP services
Learn how to enable legacy authentication methods for the AFP client in OS X Lion or later, so that you can connect to older AFP servers.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT200160?viewlocale=en_US
i have a hunch + strong belief that it is possible to make it work.. and that these are hidden settings that can be changed..
once educated on how to do so

[supernova777]

None of these solutions work with Mavericks.

The best alternative I've heard of other than this NFS approach is discussed here:
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/14351-mac-os-107-lion-and-classic-macs/

this is incorrect. AFP still does work with mavericks. just doesnt work with mac os 9 filesharing (ass KNEZ so nicely pointed out, which i guess uses a more antiquated version of the protocol)

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT200160?viewlocale=en_US

[Knezzen]

BUT IF YOU (OR ANYONE ELSE READING THIS THREAD) REALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK -> MAVERICKS CONNECTING TO MAC OS 9 FILE SHARING VIA AFP I SUGGEST INVESTIGATING THESE METHODS IN THIS ARTICLE:
Connecting to legacy AFP services
Learn how to enable legacy authentication methods for the AFP client in OS X Lion or later, so that you can connect to older AFP servers.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT200160?viewlocale=en_US
i have a hunch + strong belief that it is possible to make it work.. and that these are hidden settings that can be changed..
once educated on how to do so

Tried it, and it does not work. Just like "gocario" said.
I have tried pretty much everything that you can search your way to using Google, to no vain.
The Apple docs on the subject are amongst the first things to show up when you make a search, so I have of course tried them all.

Bashing my language skills (which in fact are very good) and calling me "bro" after is not really helping,
and only makes you look like a condescending jerk.
I have never mentioned your disturbing way of writing, without using uppercase letters when starting a sentence or using "u" instead of "you".

I think that you are very condescending right now, and I don't really want to continue this conversation.

To clarify, I'm talking about OS9 not at all being able to access Mavericks AFP shares and Mavericks not being able to access OS9 AFP shares. Not that AFP is gone in Mavericks. It's there, I use it every day, but it's not backwards compatible with the version OS9 uses. Not in any way.

[supernova777]

Bashing my language skills (which in fact are very good) and calling me "bro" after is not really helping,
and only makes you look like a condescending jerk.
I have never mentioned your disturbing way of writing, without using uppercase letters when starting a sentence or using "u" instead of "you".

I think that you are very condescending right now, and I don't really want to continue this conversation.

To clarify, I'm talking about OS9 not at all being able to access Mavericks AFP shares and Mavericks not being able to access OS9 AFP shares. Not that AFP is gone in Mavericks. It's there, I use it every day, but it's not backwards compatible with the version OS9 uses. Not in any way.

i have no more words for you personally anyway.
the fact that you would take a conversation about networking to be something personally insulting says it all.

[Knezzen]

You might just have to read everything again to see that YOU are the one who made it personally insulting.
It's very subjective to feel insulted. You might not get insulted by something I'm insulted by. Get it?

You insulted me and I got upset, that's the end of it.

And stop using my name. Thanks.