ATI Radeon 9200 + Mac OS 9.2.2

[supernova777]

im actually having an issue with my radeon 7000 pci.. if the machine goes to sleep
when it wakes up.. the video looks fine for the first second and thenit quickly becomes garbelled + artefacted which becomes worse as i move the mouse and try to do anything, pulldown menus etc introduce more distorted graphics .. making it quite impossible to do anything other then reboot the mac

my config:
powermac g3 b&W 450mhz
radeon 7000 pci
digi 001 card
Gina 20bit card
megawolf 'romulus' serial pci

maybe its being caused by some sort of sleep problem introduced by one of the other cards
i should pull all the others cards and test to see if i can recreate the problem
for now ive just removed the radeon 7000 completely and put back the original ati 128 gl card
which does not have that problem at all

[filipetolhuizen]

I know some alternate Radeon 7000 BIOS you can try. There's the retail BIOS and OEM BIOS. Believe me or not, the OEM has better 2D performance than the Retail, so they're actually different.

[supernova777]

the radeon 7000 pci might be the only "universal" graphics card for g3/g4s! (and pci/pci-x g5s!)
i guess the compatibility is the same for the 9200 pci card aswell?
maybe the reason the 9200 mac pci is so hard to find!!!!
i would like to get a few 9200 pci pci versions too.. just to have in case i need

This graphics card is compatible with the following Macs:

    G3 Beige Desktop
    G3 Beige Minitower
    G3 Blue & White Tower (Yosemite)
    G4 Tower (Yikes!) (PCI Only, No AGP Slot)
    G4 Sawtooth 2x AGP
    G4 Gigabit Ethernet 2x AGP
    G4 Digital Audio 4x AGP
    G4 Quicksilver 4x AGP
    G4 Mirrored Drive Door (MDD) 4x AGP
    G4 FireWire 800 (FW800) 4x AGP
    G5 Tower 8x AGP
    G4/G5 Xserve

Additional info:

    Full Mac OS 9.2.2 support (drivers available from howfunkel.com)
    Full support for OS X 10.1 Puma and newer
    ATI Displays compatible
    No sleep problems
    Silent operation
    For ADC displays, you'll need to buy a DVI-ADC adapter separately
    Available display modes listed in the chart above are dependent upon your display

Recommended roles for this card:

    Adding displays while keeping your current AGP card
    G3/G4 systems without AGP
    Basic computing
    Light 3D applications
    Light 3D gaming
    DVD Playback
    Internet browsing
    Office applications
    2D graphics and design
    Inexpensive dual display capability
    Silent, cool operation (audio recording)
    OS 9.2.2 machines

wow i just realizd this threads been viewed 3500+ times
for anyone else looking to get the install that fixed the OP's problems

DOWNLOAD LINK: https://www.adrive.com/public/syNRnW/freshDragInstall.img.sitx

this is the link... and to use it u unstuff using stuffit expander
and then double click the .img file to mount and u can drag the files from the image anywhere u want them
this .img file can be mounted by double clicking in any powerpc mac os (8.6/9 or X) but on 8.6 u might need disk copy 6.4 (6.5b13 is incompatible with 8.6)
as long as the drive is partitioned with "apple partition map" (not GPT/GUID) and the file system is HFS or HFS+(mac os extended)
then it should boot fine.

[Knezzen]

Im highjacking this thread a bit.

Decided to update the drivers on the TiBook from the original OS 9.2.2 ATi drivers to the Jan 2005 and Jul. 2005 drivers after that.

Hardware acceleration stopped working after boot, and of course I didn't do a backup of the old extensions...

Im also using Mac OS ROM 9.6.1 on this machine. Do I need a newer version to support hardware acceleration with this machine and driver version? It's a 1ghz PowerBook G4 "Titanium" with a ATi Radeon 9000 64mb graphicscard in it.

When booting I get the hardware acceleration extension (picture of a monitor with speed-lines on the left) with a red cross over it. Like it's not loaded for some reason.

It's a bit irritating since I use this machine for real and serious work. Can't do shit right now since everything is lagging.

[Knezzen]

Interesting... Just opened up Apple System Profiler, and it sees the G4 as a 666mhz version...

I might need a newer ROM after all.
Where can I download just a new ROM file? I don't feel like downloading the entire drag n' drop install.

The interesting thing would be to find out why this happend in combination with the driver update.
The machine in question has been running stable with the same Mac OS 9.2.2 install since late 2012.

[MacTron]

I might need a newer ROM after all.
Where can I download just a new ROM file? I don't feel like downloading the entire drag n' drop install.

In my FTP folder there is a file named "Mac Os ROMs"...

[Knezzen]

I finally got it working again. I downloaded the "os9general.dmg" from Macintosh Garden and took the ATi Drivers from it and put in the extensions folder again. Rebooted, and it works!

Seems like my TiBook hates the 2005 ATi Drivers for some reason... Have anyone had this problem before as well?

[Protools5LEGuy]

Have anyone had this problem before as well?

I have a DA 466 with original ATI agpx4 rage pro 128 upgraded with dual GHZ cpu from QS02

A friend left me to test an RADEON 9000 from a MDD and that did not work until I installed those  (or other post 2003 drivers) with the Rage 128 on the AGP port. Later, when I swapped the 9000 all worked perfect, but when I returned him the card and went back to the Rage, I needed to make a new install... Even with the extensions off minimum it did not booted...

 

[supernova777]

finally scored a deal on one of these today.. 25$!
hope its a real card + not a modified one

[supernova777]

well i tried to install the updated extensions with a 9200 LE pci (mac edition)
And the accellerator crashed on start up.. in mac os 9.02 on a mac g4 sawtooth 400mhz

i had to force quit the accellerator to continue..
im pretty sure u need to have 9.2.2 to use those extensions..
im about to verify that by updating from stock restore cd for this machine
to 9.2.2 using the update files

**update
well it didnt even let me do the install .. perhaps because the extension had crashed im restarting now.. i trashed the extension and will try agian

after rebooting with extension disabled in extenion manager i was able to update to 9.0.4

updated from 9.0.4 to 9.1

then 9.1 to 9.2.1
then 9.2.1 to 9.2.2

reinstalled the extensions..
the result?

CRASH!!!! on boot.. complete lock up
thats with the mac edition radeon 9200 LE PCI

even with holding shift extensions off it still crashes..
replacing the AGP rage 128 pro .. it still crashes..

wow.. total fubar;)
i finally got booted up with the rade 128 pro + ext off
disabling all ati extensions allows me to boot again..

[supernova777]

http://gona.mactar.hu/ATI_Mac/#9200_requirements

Mac OS 9:

    ATI 3D Accelerator
    ATI 8500 3D Accelerator
    ATI Extension
    ATI Graphics Accelerator
    ATI Monitor
    ATI RADEON 3D Accelerator
    ATI Rage 128 3D Accelerator
    ATI Resource Manager
    ATI ROM Xtender
    ATI Video Accelerator
    ATI Video Digitizer
    OpenGLRendererATI
    ATI Displays Control Panel
    ATI Help Folder and Files
    CarbonLib

these are the items included with the 2005 update supplied at the url above

[supernova777]

ive just tried again with this file
and no crashes so far

i did notice that the driver versions were higher then the ones that mactron posted above

SPOKE TOO SOON!
crashed;) lol

could it be that im missing carbonlib?
well ok i think im ready to give up on this;) lol
i have no idea whats making it crash..
i even did hte "hotfix" rom write...
hoping that would be the silver bullet. but no..

[supernova777]

I finally got it working again. I downloaded the "os9general.dmg" from Macintosh Garden and took the ATi Drivers from it and put in the extensions folder again. Rebooted, and it works!

Seems like my TiBook hates the 2005 ATi Drivers for some reason... Have anyone had this problem before as well?

there must be something included with the os9general + freshdrag installs that it requires..
thats missing ..
one thing is the mac os rom 10.2.1 of course
but there must be some other difference aswell.
because the crash doesnt occurr untill the very end up the startup.. after network drives are attached..

wish we could really get this figured out because this kind of makes the radeon 9200 not even worth the hassle when it should be looked at as a decent card..

[supernova777]

is there any detailed extensions reporting tool that i can use to make a list easily of all extensions on a mac os installation so that i can properly compare my current install
with the mdd 10.2.1 install?

there must be a reason why ATI acceleration fails .. and this has happened to knez, me, apfel, filiphezuen(?) so it must have happened to alot of people..
glad i bought a radeon 8500 AGP instead of a radeon 9200 before.. wow what a headache this is - its almost not even worth the trouble

the only reason i wanted it was for my b&w g3...
but thers no way this card will work under mac os 8.6 apparently.

[supernova777]

I finally got it working again. I downloaded the "os9general.dmg" from Macintosh Garden and took the ATi Drivers from it and put in the extensions folder again. Rebooted, and it works!

Seems like my TiBook hates the 2005 ATi Drivers for some reason... Have anyone had this problem before as well?

ok i didnt read this propeerly before but this makes sense as the card i had was working somewhat better before i tried the 2005 update... when i used those files it just got worse. alot worse...

those files are obviously for more advanced G4s.. like MDD or Quicksilvers...
not for sawtooth or tie book beause i had the same symptom.. the X thru the accellerator icon extension... something.. i checked my firmware .its updated to 4.2.8.. i am about to try your reccommended fix right now i am copying the os9general.dmg to my drive very slowly over airport i really hope it fixes.. i have a feeling it will if it worked for you..

[supernova777]

ive just restored from the factory 9.0.2 restore cd again and my g4 is working fine with the radeon 9200...

so these "update files" are 100% not supporting the 9200 PCI mac edition card
even if they say they do.. theres something wrong with the files.. the drivers must be
BETA drivers and they do not work.. meanwhile the versions that shipped in 1999 with the
cds that the graphite g4 sawtooth machines  has no problem supporting this card....

******once more proof that the "highest version" is NOT ALWAYS THE BEST VERSION********

this cd contains mac os rom 3.5 dated jan 29th 2000

but of course  while its "Working fine" it is also not "Accelerated"
which is no good...

i just repartitioned to 2 parttions so that i could create a new install of the os9general or freshdraginstall aswell to test

[supernova777]

http://lowendmac.com/video/pci/radeon-9200.html

this article claims the 9200 mac edition PCI is not compatible with digital audio or quicksilvers...
they should have put sawtooths in the list too this card is the worst card for mac os 9 lol

[Protools5LEGuy]

http://lowendmac.com/video/pci/radeon-9200.html

this article claims the 9200 mac edition PCI is not compatible with digital audio or quicksilvers...
they should have put sawtooths in the list too this card is the worst card for mac os 9 lol

9200 was great for G3s with PCI or as 2nd card on G4s.

Why are you so obsessed with 8.6? 

I always installed 9.2.2 from a 9.1 disc and made all those updates on my G3 B&W

[supernova777]

yes DUH thats why i bought it

anyways. i installed 9.2.2 using the "FreshDragInstall"
same result.. CRASH.. when using the 9200
this card is going in the garbage;)
radeon 7000 pci wasnt so much trouble as this..
but it was still a pain in the ass with some wierd problems where i had to replace the rage 128 card to be able to boot
this is bullshit

radeon 8500.. i never had ANY problem with it like this EVER

[supernova777]

Why are you so obsessed with 8.6? 

that question has no relevance to this thread. but i will answer it to be polite..
because of compatibility with older applications. some application are not compatible with mac os 9...  mac os 9 made more radical changes .. 8.6 was radical inc omparison to 7.6 but not as much as 9...these topics have been covered tho;) so the short answer is.. compatibility.

this radeon 9200 is just not worth the trouble man. i seriously am going to throw it in the garbage. lol

if anyone can post what they did to get this card to work in detail
i would appreciate it..  i give up... perhaps its just incompatible with the g4 sawtooth.. i might have to just use it as a second display in osx, i read that it performs better in a g5.