ATI Radeon 9200 + Mac OS 9.2.2

[supernova777]

I downloaded the Mac OS 9 image, which is about 473MB. I'm trying to extract it with StuffIt Expander 7.03, but it stops on the Applications folder with an error message that the file has errors and extracts nothing else beyond it. I even downloaded it twice just to make sure. I'm not using any download managers. I can't get the OS X image since I don't have OS X installed anywhere.

i will download the os9 image and test it for you right now.

[filipetolhuizen]

I downloaded the Mac OS 9 image, which is about 473MB. I'm trying to extract it with StuffIt Expander 7.03, but it stops on the Applications folder with an error message that the file has errors and extracts nothing else beyond it. I even downloaded it twice just to make sure. I'm not using any download managers. I can't get the OS X image since I don't have OS X installed anywhere.

i will download the os9 image and test it for you right now.

Thank you, I really appreciate that. I have Mac OS 8.6 installed on another hard drive, will I be able to replace my whole Mac OS 9.2.2 folder including Mac OS ROM within Mac OS 8.6?

[supernova777]

u may be able to have more then one mac os 9 system folder on the same partition yes but ive not had much experience with this.... but i think the startup disk allows u to pick a specific folder and every bootable system will show up as an option within the startup disk control panel..

it may be a good idea to test it this way ...  why erase your old os if u dont have to

i also got an error expanding the file!!
im pretty amazed.. i cant believe this.. i mean i dont know which of the admins is uploading these untested files
when i create an archive to upload i make sure that i can expand it first.. u can be certain that the mac os x image works 100%

u might even try to download this image under mac os 9.. stuffit expander 7.0.3 might work to unstuff .sitx and mac os 9 will definately be able to mount the .img file
the contents of the archive is the same.. i made the osx file myself + uploaded it myself... and packaged it.. + tested it.. so i know it works..  and the contents are the same as the other os9 archive that is apparently
CONFIRMED by both of us as DAMAGED... the only other thing i can think of is that its a problem expanding it with 7.0.3 expander version..  this file was made by diehard i think.... and unless theres some type of data corruption issue with adrives system.. i dunno what exactly is the cause of this but we both got the same symptom

could this be caused by someones data connection on upload?
im going to try to expand the image on osx and see if it works fine there
i know diehard was packaging files on his mdd tho. im pretty sure he used mac os 9 only
but im not sure if this file was uploaded later by someone else.. but pretty sure diehard made it originally.

i suggest u try the osx image...
theres a chance like i sid that 703 will expand it ok.. even tho it is in .sitx format

[filipetolhuizen]

I think it expands .sitx format, but not always keep the resource fork intact. Anyway, getting the osx image right now.

[filipetolhuizen]

Ok, The sitx file was successfully extracted and the .img was mounted using toast. Can I replace the files in my current OS 9.2.2 installation within Mac OS 8.6? Cause I like to keep things as clean as possible.

[filipetolhuizen]

My goodness! I don't know how to thank you enough. This is the first time I got the card working on Mac OS 9.2.2. You are the greatest! Now I have achieved the max on my system.

[IIO]

thats the great thing about outdated operating systems: there is a "last version" of everything, and that stuff usually works.

in OSX 10.10.1 everything is beta and "soon".

[filipetolhuizen]

I've been wishing to do that for a long time, but never found the necessary files. You're all great for keeping this available.

[supernova777]

My goodness! I don't know how to thank you enough. This is the first time I got the card working on Mac OS 9.2.2. You are the greatest! Now I have achieved the max on my system.

awesome... glad to help
im really disturbed by this corruption going on with files
that draginstall file shouldnt have had a problem.
its a prety important download and it doesnt even work
and wasnt even tested properly... ;(

re: 9200
i found some 256mb versions on ebay that are 5v pci
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PCI-ATI-Radeon-9200-256-MB-256MB-PCI-Video-Graphic-Card-Display-Graphics-VGA-/221454694027?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item338fba768b
tempted to try to flash one of these but not sure i wanna pay 30$ for a card that wont work in a g5

[filipetolhuizen]

I also have a spare Radeon 9250 PCI that I got while I searched for a solution to the Radeon 9200. The 9250 is a pc card that I flashed for Mac, but shows garbled image, probably due to those nasty resistors. Unfortunately the card doesn't match much with the reference designs at themacelite and I still need to figure out which are the right resistors. The card is exactly this model:
I'll take some photos of mine, in case you never seen this model before.

[supernova777]

i got the same result trying to flash my powercolor pci radeon 9200
i think its hard to find the proper flashable one..
because like u eluded to, there is an additional hardware incompatibility or problem for alot of them

let us know how the performance is on the 9200 pci
i have read that it is comparible to the agp 8500 which is impressive

[filipetolhuizen]

It is quite impressive, I tested it with GLQuake, Unreal, SW Episode 1 Racer and RTCW. Huge gains over the Radeon 7000.

[supernova777]

It is quite impressive, I tested it with GLQuake, Unreal, SW Episode 1 Racer and RTCW. Huge gains over the Radeon 7000.

i remember quite enjoying the star wars pod racer game i had a joystick especially for this game back in 1999 !!

[supernova777]

www.ebay.ca/itm/Mac-Radeon-9200-128mb-AGP-Graphics-Video-Card-For-Apple-PowerMac-G4-G5-DVI-VGA-/251218834290?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a7dcf3372

here they are selling some 9200 mac AGP cards
i wonder how this is compared to 8500/9000
if there would be performance gains ..
im not about to pay that price to find out tho
9200 AGP cant be worth 66$ that price is really wrong
i paid way less then that for my 8500 agp

R200 chip
http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-8500-card-22.html

vs

RV280 chip
http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-9200-card-69.html

comparing, i can see the 8500 mem bandwidth is still higher
hmm it says 8x agp too for the 9200 AGP

this cant be right this guys add claims "*True Quartz Extreme , Core Image (10.5 Leopard) Supported & Compatible. "
im pretty sure all the stuff i read by japamac said that the 9200 doesnt support q.e.
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D37942BEE.html
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Page%203%3A%20Core%20Image%20.html

sorry i know we were talking about the pci version but i found this auction just now lookng to see if there are any 9200 pci for sale

[filipetolhuizen]

I thought the Radeon 7000 already supported Q.E. and C.I., so why the Radeon 9200 wouldn't?

[supernova777]

I thought the Radeon 7000 already supported Q.E. and C.I., so why the Radeon 9200 wouldn't?

where did u read that?
all information i have ever seen indicates that
see this page stating that
"With the exception of the radeon 9700 oem, no apple oem graphics card shipped with a g4 supports core image"
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Page%203%3A%20Core%20Image%20.html

pretty sure that the radeon 7000 is NOT a core image supporting card.
if u look at the chart on the previous page... it actually lists the radeon 9000 as being the very slowest core image card?
i had no idea radeon 9000 supported core image or perhaps it isnt and its only in there to show the differrence between core image
+ non core image? but wasnt explained as such.. this is the most likely explanation for its presence in the chart.. its definately not a core image card.

but..
none of this matters for mac os 9 because mac os 9 has no core image / quartz extreme support

[filipetolhuizen]

I don't remember if they were both supported, but I read something like this on a guide for enabling them (or at least one of them) on PCI cards. I think it was available here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

[supernova777]

I don't remember if they were both supported, but I read something like this on a guide for enabling them (or at least one of them) on PCI cards. I think it was available here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

probably thinking of the fx5200 geforce
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/graphics/mac_pci_fx5200/mac_pci_fx5200.html

if not this article links to:
Feedback on Hack to Enable Quartz Extreme for Radeon PCI cards (in Jaguar to Tiger)
First Posted: August 27th, 2002 Last Updated: Nov. 2nd, 2005
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/quartz_extreme_PCI_mod.html#storytop

ok this page references the radeon 7000.. this is prob where u read that..
hmmmm...i have a g3 450mz /w a radeon 7000 pci;)
that is collecting dust atm

[filipetolhuizen]

A G3 + Radeon 7000 is the best match for compatibility and performance. The card is also the easiest one to transform from PC to Mac. The Radeon 9200 is a lot trickier than I thought, but worth the effort.

[supernova777]

i have the official radeon 7000 mac edition card made by Sapphire
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102318
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-Mac-G4-G5-ATI-Radeon-7000-PCI-64MB-Video-Card-DVI-VGA-S-Video-TV-Out-OS9-/200710223413
seems they are selling off a huge number of them for 30$ in this ebay auction
he also has the drivers up for download : http://howfunkel.com/

Radeon X1900 Mac G5 Series Update Jan. 17, 2007 (13.7MB)
ATI Radeon OS9 Drivers/Software Update (Nov 2002) for Radeon 7000 AGP/PCI, 7500 AGP, 8500 AGP, 9000 AGP, and 9200 DVI-D AGP
Software (9.18MB)
Installation notes
ATI Radeon OS9 Drivers for Radeon 9200 PCI/AGP DVI-I cards
ATI Displays v4.5.7 (6.96MB)
ATI Radeon January 2005 Update for OS X 10.3.x and 10.4.x and 10.5.x (5.44MB)
ATI Radeon October 2002 Update for OS X 10.2.x (7.42MB)
Aug 2005 ATI Radeon ROM Update (5.06MB)
Temperature Monitor (to monitor GPU temp in GeForce 6200 in OS X)

interesting to note that hes posted this image to differentiate between the DVI-D + DVI-I versions of the 9200 pci
claming that the DVI-I needs these special drivers hes providing..  http://howfunkel.com/9200os9.sit

http://lowendmac.com/video/pci/radeon-9200.html
this page claims that:

Physical Specs and Compatibility

The ATI Radeon 9200 is a PCI video card compatible with most Macs with PCI slots. However, ATI notes that it is not compatible with the Digital Audio and Gigabit Ethernet G4 Power Mac in Mac OS 9. It was never used as a standard video card on any Mac.

i would think that because of the similarities in architecture this would also include the quicksilver series.. which are 133mhz bus, ADC/AGP video?

http://www.barefeats.com/rad9200.html
according to this page, the 9200 performs even better for opengl in a powermac g5.. i guess because of the improved speeds of the pci bus.?
but not so well for 3d..

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/graphics/mac_radeon_9200pci_tests.html
interesting to note:
Radeon 9200 Quicksilver Dual 1.2GHz G4 9.2.2 <-- wait.. 1.2ghz dual quicksilver???
B&W g3 results: (brokenlink on the above page) http://web.archive.org/web/20050520000617/http://homepage.mac.com/a2daj/9200Tests/Radeon9200GossamerTests.html
ok no it seems to be beige g3 upgraded to g4 533mhz in the test results