ATI Radeon 9200 + Mac OS 9.2.2

[MacTron]

i did notice that the driver versions were higher then the ones that mactron posted above

That's impossible.
... or I have made some mistake ...

thats with the mac edition radeon 9200 LE PCI

... we have to further investigate this Radeon model. I don't have any of them.

those files are obviously for more advanced G4s.. like MDD or Quicksilvers...
not for sawtooth

Not at all. I always use exactly the same Mac Os folder (with the same extensions) to ALL my G4s from Sawtooths to MDDs

[supernova777]

the only thing i can think of is maybe the radeon 9200 LE pci is mac os x only..
and was never supported by the drivers in mac os 9.
it boots up.. appears to work fine.. and then once i get all the way booted up it just freezes... any idea what it could be?

like i said it works with the 'vanilla' restore of 9.0.2 just fine (unacelerated)
but yea.. im not even gonna try any more.



it has dvi-i port.
maybe the other radeon 9200 is dvi-D?
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/radeon-9200-dvi-i-drivers-os-9

[supernova777]

i just saw some listings on ebay claiming this card was pulled from a mac g5 xserve unit
maybe there was something different with these radeon "LE" cards

heres some pics
this is exactly what i have..
obviously i reccommend that u stay away from this card;)

[MacTron]

Seems to be a very problematic card:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/mac_radeon_9200pci_tests.html

[supernova777]

just tested in a b&W g3 to see if it would make a difference.. even with starting up from the os9 install cd... it freezes.. this card must be X only..

with this in mind, ive removed it, and placed it inside my g5
below is the cards properties listed in mac os x tiger when installed in my powermac g5 1.8ghz machine
it seems to have no problems there, and doesnt interfere with the other card thats installed (radeon 9800 pro)
i guess i will have to use this card for mac os x systems only.. probably works great on intel mac os x versions
as a secondary display in mac os x maybe its not so useless.. but it appears that the "LE" series is either incompatible
or too much trouble to reccommend for anyone

[filipetolhuizen]

Maybe it requires the updated 9.2.2 I got from here as well. Or maybe a BIOS mod. Try one from here:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2
And don't forget to backup the original!

Seems to be a very problematic card:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/mac_radeon_9200pci_tests.html

It is, I read this already, which explains all the trouble I had to get it working.

[Apfel]

sorry I did not read everything, but:

I once had a problem with my flashed 9200 and discovered that according to themacelite flashed cards from the 9000 family (see more below) don't support HW acceleration, i.e. 3D. This is why the 9800 is sometimes called "not working in OS 9", in fact it only doesn't have 3D, when being a flashed card.


Here is what I did as a write up once:
I couldn't insert the text, because the format of the text gets scrambled, so I made a screenshot

[filipetolhuizen]

The lack of 3d support on flashed 9000/9200 cards might be because of this:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9250-trick
Regarding the Radeon 9800, there was no 3d driver for it made for Mac OS 9.2.2, so it will only work in 2D, even if it's an original Mac card.

[supernova777]

the hardware accelleration also affects 2d... as seen when dragging windows there is this "rol up" bottom to top refresh when accelleration is not enabled which is the primary reason making it undesirable to most users i think

[filipetolhuizen]

I once read somewhere that there actually were Mac OS 9.2.2 2D drivers for the Radeon 9800 Mac edition that came with the card, but they're 2D only.

[Nameci]

Sorry to resurrect the thread. I am trying to install 9.2.2 on my PM G4 Yikes with ATI Radeon 9200, install went fine but upon restart, the ati extensions are not loaded and I get a blank screen.

If I turn off the extensions, I can boot fine to desktop but I can not change the screen resolution since the "Monitors" control panel is not accessible or will not open.

I have no other PCI vid card except for this one.

Maybe some gurus here can shed light and direct me to the fix?

The installation s/w is os9 universal I downloaded from here.

[Protools5LEGuy]

Welcome Nameci to our humble Forum!

The 9200 seems a card to avoid for OS9 setups. That card shine on OSX setups, but it is not totally stable on OS9 IIRC.

[MacOS Plus]

  There are multiple variants of 9200, which might be part of his problem.  Drivers might need to be updated beyond what shipped with 9.2.2 too.  I reported recently in the Xserve-on-9 thread that my ATI Radeon 9200LE 128MB PCI card worked without issue, even when placed in a PCI expansion chassis.  This is an official retail Mac model, not flashed or modified.

[Nameci]

Welcome Nameci to our humble Forum!

The 9200 seems a card to avoid for OS9 setups. That card shine on OSX setups, but it is not totally stable on OS9 IIRC.

It seems like it is not stable on OS9 as what you have said. It is fully working on 10.4.11, but not on OS9. I have no other card but this, it seems I might just be contented with running OS9 on classic then.

Thanks for the welcome, long time lurker here.

[IIO]

the latest graphic card drivers and firmware updates for OS9 are somewhere here in this forum, try these first.

like mac os plus said, the later 9200 mac edition models are several years older than the OS 9.2.2 golden master.

[Nameci]

Is there any other way to change the screen resolution while the extensions are off?

[Protools5LEGuy]

On  a GeForce 2 I boot to OSX before. The resolution get stored on PRAM somehow. I havent the monitor panel loaded.

[Mat]

Sorry guys, I don´t get the problem!
Get that damn "latest ATI drivers" from 2005, boot 9 without any extension, remove the former ATI (I suspect RAGE 128) drivers by hand. Reboot again without drivers and run the installer. Done.

I never before heard about any 9200 instability. Perhaps there are some flashed cards out there making problems but this sounds like a usual extension conflict.

[IIO]

On  a GeForce 2 I boot to OSX before. The resolution get stored on PRAM somehow. I havent the monitor panel loaded.

i cant check right now, but it could be that the monitors control panel ist not even a cdev, which means you could still open it when it "has not been loaded".

switchres requires its init...

[ziggy29]

For a personal data point, I have just confirmed this works well in my PM 7600 running OS 8.6 and OS 9.1, and mostly (apparently without acceleration) in OS 8.1.  Note that this is the actual retail Mac Edition PCI 9200 with 128 MB of VRAM which is overkill for this model, but I digress.  I do it because I can!

I downloaded the file '9200os9.sit' from here:  http://www.kranenburg.cc/mirko.cc/macclassic.html

(I've seen links to the Howfunkel site, but when I use Stuffit on that archive the file types are gone and not recognized as extensions.  At this site, the file unstuffs fine.)

Then I made backups of my 8.1, 8.6 and 9.1 extensions folders.  (This is a tricked out 7600 with 512 MB of RAM, a Sonnet G3/300 card, and a Sonnet Tempo HD with a 120 GB "SSD" -- really an mSATA card and mSATA to 2.5" IDE adapter -- attached to the card with partitions for several OS installs, shared data/apps and other stuff.)

With my previous video card -- a Rage 128 with 16MB of VRAM -- still in place I began to move the files -- it's best to install these while the old card is still there. I rebooted with extensions off and copied the 12 files in the new "9200os9" folder into my three Extensions folders once I had a good backup copy of each.  I rebooted once into 9.1 with the Rage 128 to confirm it still worked fine.  It did. 

Then I shut down, replaced the Rage 128 with the 9200, booted into 9.1, and it all worked fine.  Next, I booted into 8.6.  Again, worked perfectly. 

Finally, back to OS 8.1.  It crashed on an extension while booting up.  Trial and error indicated it was the "ATI Resource Manager" extension which was the culprit; removing it and leaving the other 11 in place works *except* that the acceleration extension is "X-ed out" when loading at boot time.  Other than that it seems to be working fine.