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wondering if we could put our heads together to get a proper timeline release dates for the original versions of logic
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro#Early_Versions is very much incomplete in regard to this information. with vague references
and very little specific information.. perhaps i can cehck the documention and file dates from the files that we have here on the site?

doing a quick check, i see that the file dates on the .img file are from 2010... from the "logic audio 1" folder

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr98/articles/logic_audiopc.html v3.0 article dated april 1998
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug99/articles/logic4.htm v4.0 article dated august 1999

ahh here we are: from the v4.0 article:

Notator Logic v1.2 May 1993 http://www.soundonsound.com/Contents.php?Month=5&Year=1993 (not onsite)
Notator Logic Audio Dec 1993 (again, not onsite)
Logic v2.0 Aug 1995 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/aug95/emagiclogic2.html
Logic v2.5 Oct 1995 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/oct95/emagiclogic.html
Logic Audio v2.5 Feb 1996 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/feb96/logic2.5.html
Logic Audio v2.5 PC Nov 1996 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/nov96/emagiclogic25.html
Logic Audio v3.0 Jan 1998 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan98/articles/logicaudio.htm
Logic Audio v3.0 PC Apr 1998 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr98/articles/logic_audiopc.html
Logic Audio v3.5 Oct 1998 http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct98/articles/logicplatinum.html

this is the info i was after;) well close to it anyway. these are article publish dates. not software release dates. but htey provide a little insight.

 
lol @ v2.0 MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

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25MHz 386 PC or better.
4Mb of RAM -- 8Mb recommended.
Windows 3.1 running in Enhanced Mode.
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has anyone else experimented with the early versions of logic that we have posted here? v1.0 etc?

does anyone have any of the early 90s versions of notator logic?

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has anyone else experimented with the early versions of logic that we have posted here? v1.0 etc?
I was a Logic Audio v3.0 user back in the days...
... then I walked to dark side: Steinberg :)

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does anyone have any of the early 90s versions of notator logic?
I'll take a look...
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I'll take a look...
Yes I have Notator Logic 1.7.
...and still works on a G4 with Mac Os 9.2.2 in 2014!
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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2014, 01:58:06 PM »
right this is the version we have from the logic anthology ;)
i havent used it yet but i plan on attempting to use it for just midi with some drum module to start!


http://www.atarimusic.net/featured-articles/atari-music-software/247-a-history-of-notator-logic

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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 02:17:51 PM »
so this version 1.7 must be from like 1994 or something
hmm


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Logic Goes Mac

During this super-charged period of computer/software development, Emagic took Notator/Logic to the Mac.  V 1.6 was released early in 1993.  It appeared to be just like the Atari version.  A year later, in the cold of winter 1994, version 1.7 was released that was designed for Mac System 7, required 8MB of Ram, and at minimum a 68030 Mac. A whopping 600 MB hard drive was the recommended minimum.   This was a ground breaking event as audio had finally arrived in Logic.

Audio was delivered in the young Logic via the DAE (Digidesign audio engine) made by the developers of Sound Tools (right around the time they changed the name to Pro Tools).  The major audio cards for Logic were the AudioMedia I and II, SoundTools 2, and the new Session 8 all by Digidesign.  Depending on what you had installed, you could expect 4 to 16 tracks of audio.
from http://tweakheadz.com/history-of-notator-and-logic3/

yep;)
so this is  the first version (v1.7) to allow audio recording?

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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 07:42:12 AM »
Maybe this is a little off-topic. Back in the logic 3.x days I was a PC user. I bought an guillemot Isis that came with Logic Audio Pro Isis version 3.6 . It was a 16 audiotracks and the synth from the soundcard was integrated and up to 36 mb sampler via ram expansions. 4 stereo buses and 2 stereo masters.  It even had dsp from the Isis to make chorus, flangers eq, (?) ; but inserts were only direct x compatible (no VST).  But last time I tested waves mercury 5 it worked most of them as directx but SSL.

I tested logic 3.5 gold 4.5 and 5 platinum for pc. I kept recording on Logic Pro Isis 3.6 and mixing on a cracked 4.5 and later with a terratec dmx6fire2496 on logic 5.5.1 . I remember that was a good idea to install cubase to use logic, because cubase made Asio drivers for most soundcards. Asio 1.0 and 2.0 if you installed Sx (from memory).

My mac friends were still using cracked 4.x version while win users had 5.x cracked.
Most of masterclass about looping, mixing and producing I recieved back on the days were on logic 4.5 mac.
The envy of having 5.x working on pc made a lot mac users to buy an emagic license...
That's the reason I have a dongle now!
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 10:46:33 PM »
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Logic Goes Mac - http://tweakheadz.com/history-of-notator-and-logic3/

During this super-charged period of computer/software development, Emagic took Notator/Logic to the Mac.  V 1.6 was released early in 1993.  It appeared to be just like the Atari version.  A year later, in the cold of winter 1994, version 1.7 was released that was designed for Mac System 7, required 8MB of Ram, and at minimum a 68030 Mac. A whopping 600 MB hard drive was the recommended minimum.   This was a ground breaking event as audio had finally arrived in Logic.

Audio was delivered in the young Logic via the DAE (Digidesign audio engine) made by the developers of Sound Tools (right around the time they changed the name to Pro Tools).  The major audio cards for Logic were the AudioMedia I and II, SoundTools 2, and the new Session 8 all by Digidesign.  Depending on what you had installed, you could expect 4 to 16 tracks of audio.

says here that v1.6 is the version from "early 1993"  8)  8)  8)

just rechecked our archive from the enabler logic anthology and it does indeed contain:
v1.1
v1.6
v1.7.2
v1.7.3

amazing so this v1.6 is the version from the time period im looking for and is available to all..
appears to only be 10mb or so, and from what i understand it should work with the dongle emulator!
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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 12:35:41 AM »
Logic top of the line is platinum.
There was also gold and silver versions, with more features than my "copper" logic pro Isis 3.6. I think silver had 24 tracks and more than 4 buses. , at least from logic 3.x to 5.x.
From 6 to this day there are logic pro and express lines, and the cheap one is called garageband....

There are some logic silver/gold versions that dint need a dongle dongle. I mean you can use it on M- audio soundcards. As protools only work on digi hardware, this logic "m-audio" only works on midiman hardware as AP 24/96
I think it was working for the delta series... But I can be wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 01:30:19 AM »
protools5leguy:
this thread is about earlier versions of logic from early 90s dude
and trying to fill in the versions information timeline
from before versions 4,5


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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2014, 07:40:51 AM »
protools5leguy:
this thread is about earlier versions of logic from early 90s dude
and trying to fill in the versions information timeline
from before versions 4,5
that's an earlier version. EMAGIC Logic PRO Isis v. 3.6 is the only one > 3.5 and < 4.x. . You can search in S.O.S. About Guillemot Isis to "date" 3.5, my 3.6 and 4.5. Late nineties.

I wanted to notice about Logic Audio Delta for m-audio also. I think it was a 3.x or 4.x and
they dont need dongle, I hope.

There was also a Logic "free" called "fun" in version 5. Maybe there were some "free" versions in 3.x and 4.x.
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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 12:19:22 AM »
I have a boxed Logic 2.0 for Atari complete with manual and dongle. Awesome case in plastic 8-)

I still do pretty much all my MIDI-work on my Atari 1040STe with C-Lab/Emagic Notator 3.21.
It's a kick-ass sequencer that hasn't been surpassed by anything.



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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 06:57:55 AM »
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I have a boxed Logic 2.0 for Atari complete with manual and dongle. Awesome case in plastic 8-)
pics!

yeah but.. finding an atari computer is impossible.
so wait. this screenshot is atari right? v3.21 in 1993?
it was only 1.6 on mac in the same year i think?
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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 10:34:46 AM »

so wait. this screenshot is atari right? v3.21 in 1993?
it was only 1.6 on mac in the same year .

Notator 3.21 is not Logic. Is the precursor.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 08:43:35 PM »
ptl45g: thank u, yes i am well aware. i was comparing the difference in versions of the same time period.. on the mac notator was at version 1.6 in 1993, yet, on atari, seemed to have progressed to v3.21 as you see illustrated here by tis screenshot

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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 11:06:44 PM »
ptl45g: thank u, yes i am well aware. i was comparing the difference in versions of the same time period.. on the mac notator was at version 1.6 in 1993, yet, on atari, seemed to have progressed to v3.21 as you see illustrated here by tis screenshot

Notator was never on the Mac or any other platform than the Atari. The first version of Logic was called "Notator Logic", probably to show off the Notator legacy.
Alot of stuff in Logic is directly moved over from Notator. The big difference, obviously, is that Logic is object based and Notator is a pattern sequencer.

Screenshot from the Notator Logic on Atari demosong:


BTW, it's a pity that Atari made such a poor job of marketing their computers in North America. Here in Europe they are as easy to find as old G3 and G4 Macs.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 11:55:04 PM »
Pictures of my boxed Logic 2.0 and Logic 2.5 (the last version made for Atari computers) running on my Atari TT.


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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2014, 02:36:37 PM »
Pictures of my boxed Logic 2.0 and Logic 2.5 (the last version made for Atari computers) running on my Atari TT.
Atari TT? Falcon? It is more advanced than an ST. It was a BEAST of machine that Atari did not spread. As the last Amigas...

On parallels universes we could be writing in a forum called TOS1.02 Lives! or Workbench Lives!
The other 680x0 machines died too soon.  :-[ :( :'(
All those machines seem to me more powerful than Macintosh of the same age.
Amiga with all the coprocessors seem as powerful as a Next Cube

Take a look on the first video editor. Videotoaster for Amiga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 06:27:21 AM »
cool pics knez  8)

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 06:28:39 AM »
BTW, it's a pity that Atari made such a poor job of marketing their computers in North America. Here in Europe they are as easy to find as old G3 and G4 Macs.

i think its more about stupid people considering them trash + useless + disposing of them
or perhaps not even worth selling,, which is why u dont see any ads for these things, macs u can find for sale alot..
 atari.. like a unicorn;)


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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2014, 07:12:09 AM »
High-end Atari's are pretty rare and expensive. TT's usually got for around $400-500 USD and Falcon's around $600 and up on ebay.

They are kick-ass machines :)

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2014, 10:56:01 AM »
Pictures of my boxed Logic 2.0 and Logic 2.5 (the last version made for Atari computers) running on my Atari TT.


i just downloaded a demo of micrologic 2.0 for windows and it has the exact same graphics as this image
and same copyright dates..1992-1996

is this atari version midi only?
which is the first *AUDIO* logic version??
was it on atari?
or mac?
or pc?

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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2014, 03:11:29 AM »
I have Logic Audio 1.5 for Atari on floppy, as well as Logic Audio 2.01.
There was separate versions, much like Logic Gold and Platinum etc.

Plain Logic only had MIDI functionality, and Logic Audio had MIDI and audio functionality.

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2015, 04:10:10 AM »
i've never got Logic Audio to work on my Falcon... what's about a "how-to-feedback" ? - I know we're Mac in here, but would be nice indeed  8)

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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2015, 11:23:40 PM »
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=701.0

heres the working demo of micrologic 2.0 (for both windows + mac)
according to the timeline, its from the same time as logic 2.0 and logic 2.5 (1996)

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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2015, 11:27:14 PM »
i've never got Logic Audio to work on my Falcon... what's about a "how-to-feedback" ? - I know we're Mac in here, but would be nice indeed  8)

I never had any issues. There is no cracked version that I know of, and no dongle emulator for Atari. I have Logic for Atari boxed with manuals dongle etc, so I just use the dongle from that (LOG-3) with Logic Audio on the Falcon. Works great.

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 07:07:34 PM »
just being a nerd revisiting this info.. and the logic site from the web archive backup.. oldest backup info from 1997.. really a shame these sites
+ soundonsound doesnt let me go back to early 90s!! like 96, 95, 94, 93, 92, 91 thats alot of important years of info that it doenst let me access :(



rE: micrologic 2.0 for mac
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212165504/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/MicroLOGIC.html

there is of course a working demo of this micrologic 2.0 for both win+ mac
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=701.msg727#msg727

re: logic audio discovery 1.0 for mac
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212165407/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/LOGICAudio_Disco.html

re: logic 2.6 for mac (notice no "audio" in name?)
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212165322/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/LOGIC.html

re: logic "audio" 3.0 for mac
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212162427/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/LOGICAUDIO.html

re: CBX support in logic (think this applies to all versions?)
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212172754/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/LA_CBXExt.html

re: sound diver 2.0 for mac
http://web.archive.org/web/19980212163655/http://www.emagic.de/english/products/mac/Sounddiver.html



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Re: logic early versions timeline? wikipedia very much incomplete...
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2019, 04:08:22 PM »
Atari TT? Falcon? It is more advanced than an ST. It was a BEAST of machine that Atari did not spread. As the last Amigas...

On parallels universes we could be writing in a forum called TOS1.02 Lives! or Workbench Lives!
The other 680x0 machines died too soon.  :-[ :( :'(
All those machines seem to me more powerful than Macintosh of the same age.

Atari did spread Falcon and even give rights for C-Lab continue make Falcon mkII when Atari move Jaguar gameconsoles.
But it was strange how media promote PCs in that time.
Most sad think that there was Spectre Mac emulator for Atari Stacy (Laptop ST) what was faster than Mac Laptop, but people bought two times expensive Mac.
Some of us even read and write to Atari forum  ;) Actually 68k is not dead it turns Coldfire processors. And Medusa Computer Systems makes Atari TOS compatible computer.
And Workbench lives as MorphOS and look what hardware runs it  ;) : https://www.morphos-team.net/hardware

But back to topic. Logic early versions started with Atari. C-Lab Notator SL v3.2 updated to Emagic Notator Logic (earliest version I have seen is v.1.7 from 1992, but v2.0 is also from 1992). Last Atari versions was Logic Audio 2.0 and MIDI-only Logic 2.5.
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