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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2014, 08:37:12 AM »
The main purpose of this thread is "Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)"
In some cases only the proper ROM is needed.
In others only some "unknown" settings in Open Firmware.
In other cases, a version downgraded firmware is needed.
And in other cases all of the above... and who knows what's more... LOL
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2014, 08:39:50 AM »
my point is the rom file didnt work 100%  ;D
but the firmware down grade of the fw800 -> fw400 did work 100%!

so its my opinion we should be trying 100% ;D to extract the firmware file from the working mac os 9 model!!
using any means neccessary

we alreadyknow how to force the firmware downgrade once we have the file..
so all we need is the extracted firmware file

the sources:
http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-boot-startup-macos-9.html

if we could get all these firmwares from these machines in file format wed be rockin+rollin ;D

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2015, 06:03:43 PM »
Sorry for reviving an old thread.

I'm actually hoping someone in this thread has restore discs for the OS 9-supported 17" iMac G4.  The short-lived one that came with 9.2.2 and 10.1.5.  I have a booting copy of OS 9 on it now, but it doesn't have the GeForce 4MX drivers, so OS 9 games are slow.  (I'd like the whole restore disc set, as I do like to load a complete 'original' hard drive image on to systems - so I want the custom 10.1.5 build that it uses, too; since I can't get 10.1 to work on it for anything.)

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2015, 06:14:05 PM »
Sorry for reviving an old thread.

I'm actually hoping someone in this thread has restore discs for the OS 9-supported 17" iMac G4. 

Thanks in advance!


i think this is what you are looking for
DOWNLOAD LINK: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yn2amtrfasm3s/2002_imacG4

as the file indicates its the original install/restore discs from the 2002 imac g4
Please note: ***these are zip files which i believe were packaged on a modern version of mac os x.. + therefore i reccommend they first be extracted on mac os x (tiger, leopard, snow leopard or higher) (not mac os 9) and then burned to cds***

checking everymac.com for every mac from 2002 we see:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_year/macs-released-in-2002.html

which includes 3 models of flat panel imac g4 from 2002:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_700_fp.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_800_fp.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_800_17_fp.html

not sure which of the 3 this is from, perhaps its universal between these 3
and perhaps it will also work fine with the 2003 flat panel models aswell which include:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_800_fp_macosx.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_1.0_17_fp.html

if your model is the imac 800mhz 17" :
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_800_17_fp.html

then these files should work for you 100% ;D



« Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 06:53:54 PM by chrisNova777 »

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2015, 02:13:02 AM »
Well, an update of sorts.

I used the Unsupported G4s ISO and it does boot my iMac G4 1 Ghz flat panel.

The only issue is I have no sound at all. No fraking with the Sound control panel and the volume is turned up.

I still get the startup chime though. the nVidia chip has no issues.

Would be nice though to have some sound. . . . .

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2015, 02:35:12 AM »
easily fixable by using any addon sound card ... usb or firewire !
congrats

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2015, 02:50:04 AM »
Well, yeah, I suppose so. Just unfortunate it does not work with the internal speaker! Especially when I have replacement Pro speakers on the way after my 15" iMac died a smoky death. 

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2015, 03:08:26 AM »
u mean the speakers that connect digitally via a 3.5mm jack on the back?
i never had a pair of those..
they work with the Digital Audio / Quicksilvers + MDDs only i think (other than the imac that is)
not sure if any laptops supported those speakers i cant remember

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2015, 03:32:39 AM »
u mean the speakers that connect digitally via a 3.5mm jack on the back?
i never had a pair of those..
they work with the Digital Audio / Quicksilvers + MDDs only i think (other than the imac that is)
not sure if any laptops supported those speakers i cant remember

The white iBook G3's did IIRC.
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2015, 11:47:16 AM »
Well, an update of sorts.

I used the Unsupported G4s ISO and it does boot my iMac G4 1 Ghz flat panel.

The only issue is I have no sound at all.

 did you have the same issue if you startup from HD with a full system folder?  (with the iMic ROM ofcourse).
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2015, 05:06:39 PM »
Yes I did. No sound when booted from the hard drive with a full OS 9 installed. At least I assume it was a full install, as I followed the directions exactly when I booted with the Unsupported G4 CD Diehard posted at http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2143.0.

Just to make sure, I rerun Drive Setup and reinstalled a second time-still no sound.

Launching the Sound control panel, I noted that it is using the Built In but I cannot adjust any of the speaker volumes-the bar just does not want to move any higher than the very low setting it is in.

I would note sounds works fine in Tiger.

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2015, 05:09:06 PM »
Yeah, the ones that plug in to the back of my G4 MDD FW800. The previous ones got shorted out when the 15" iMac I was running OS 9 on died it's smoky death.


u mean the speakers that connect digitally via a 3.5mm jack on the back?
i never had a pair of those..
they work with the Digital Audio / Quicksilvers + MDDs only i think (other than the imac that is)
not sure if any laptops supported those speakers i cant remember

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2015, 02:20:44 PM »
Okay, tried it a total of four times. Still no sound. Think I will just give up.

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2016, 10:44:37 PM »
Hello Everyone

After a week of trying I've finally booted my 1 Ghz 17" FP G4 into MacOS 9.

Firstly the Unsupported G4s 9.2 ISO would not boot on this computer (It would show up when option key booted, but flash with ? disk)
Secondly tried restoring the Unsupported G4s 9.2 ISO - Macos9lives.img to a separate partition on internal hdd (It would show up also when option key booted, but also flash with ? disk)

This is what finally booted.
1.
Changed nvram of computer using script from iMic and bleak originally i think
(https://www.thinkclassic.org/viewtopic.php?id=46&p=7)

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#!/bin/sh
echo Enabling OS 9 booting...
echo "You may have to enter your password"
# Use nvram command to setup nvramrc with script to make open firmware changes
sudo nvram nvramrc='" /" select-dev
" PowerBook4,3" encode-string " model" property
" PowerBook4,3" encode-string " MacRISC" encode-string encode+ " MacRISC2" encode-string encode+ " MacRISC3" encode-string encode+ " Power Macintosh" encode-string encode+ " compatible" property
00000000 " graphic-options" get-my-property 2drop !
unselect

" /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0" find-package if drop " /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0" find-device 80010201 encode-int " cpu-version" property then

device-end \ PLX-OS9-PATCH
'
# Enable use of nvramrc on boot. Change to "false" if you want to disable again. Or just clear/reset nvram.
sudo nvram "use-nvramrc?"=true
echo done.

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2.
Run this script then could format and partition hdd into 2 and install OS 9 disk drivers with Tiger installation disk. (This wasn't available before changing nvram!)

3.
Back in Tiger, restored the unsupported G4s macos9lives.img to the second partition which was created (That also had the OS 9 disk drivers installed)

4. 
Restarted computer (option key) clicked onto OS9 partition (Again didn't boot, ? disk flashing)

5.
Rebooted Tiger, launched a "classic" application which initialised the "Classic" environment.

6.
Went to StartUp Disk in the Tiger System Preferences and was able to select OS 9 (This had not been an option before changing the nvram settings)

7. 
Computer rebooted and to my surprise finally booted OS 9!!!

8. 
It crashed booting up the first time, so I restarted the computer this time when OS 9 was booting holding down left shift to turn of extensions.  It booted to a functioning state.

9.  Restarted again, this time it booted successfully normally with all extensions.

I know this post is long winded however I'm trying to prevent someone giving up on booting OS9 (Like i nearly did!)
So far on this setup, looks like just 256 colors at 1440 x 900, no sound from internal speakers (Sound from headphone jack working)



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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2016, 06:13:07 AM »
We have a ROM available that will make the NVRAM script no longer required. (At least that is the intent hasn't been fully tested yet so word of caution).

You can download it from here.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2727.msg19816.html#msg19816

It hasn't been integrated to any of the iso's yet.
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2016, 08:28:45 AM »
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It hasn't been integrated to any of the iso's yet.

NANOPICO has done some awesome work here, many hours of labor, his work will be integrated into a downloadable ISO as soon as we get testers and make any needed changes.

Unfortunately, I have been very busy the last 2 months modifying PHP files and SQL databases to get the site migrated to the new server.  Now that we are running on a new platform, we will be faster and more stable for our multi-national user base.

I would like to thank ALL of you for all your hard work.  After my brain and body (little sleep last week) get back up to speed, I will be focusing on broken content and adding NEW content in the downloads.

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2016, 08:30:45 AM »
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It hasn't been integrated to any of the iso's yet.

NANOPICO has done some awesome work here, many hours of labor, his work will be integrated into a downloadable ISO as soon as we get testers and make any needed changes.

Thank you for the kind words.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2016, 08:33:47 AM by DieHard »
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2016, 08:34:46 AM »
Anytime... who knows... Santa may pay you another visit this year :)

Any luck on cracking UAD-1 ?

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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2016, 08:59:54 AM »
Anytime... who knows... Santa may pay you another visit this year :)

Any luck on cracking UAD-1 ?

Not a lot of time at the moment to work on this (primarily due to some remodeling in my studio (which also effects my development work area), but I have  started looking through the drivers and control panels to try to find which memory address it reads/writes for the authorizations. I've also started poking random data to some addresses on the card.  Though I need to be a little careful of that so I don't render the card useless.
The advantage I have right now is I have the Mackie card (thanks) and a non-Mackie card so once I find the location of the authorizations on the cards I'll have two to compare that have different plugs authorized. 

Maybe I'll work on this more tonight actually.  It would do my mental state some good to dig back into this.
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Re: Mac Os 9 boot on unsupported iMac G4 (Flat-panel)
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2016, 09:05:27 AM »
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Though I need to be a little careful of that so I don't render the card useless.

Diehard has about 4 or 5 of those laying around so hack away :)